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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Women in Development&#8221;? How about just &#8220;People in Development&#8221;?</title>
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		<title>By: Dianne Marsh</title>
		<link>http://www.dennmart.com/2008/03/19/women-in-development-how-about-just-people-in-development/comment-page-1/#comment-758</link>
		<dc:creator>Dianne Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis,

I have shunned gender-specific groups for most of my career.  But, a year or so ago, I joined devChix.  Why?  Because I learned that the number of women entering computer science NOW is less than when I was in college from 1982-1986.  That shocked me.  I don&#039;t understand why women have shunned this profession and I would like to understand that.  In order to do so, I need to talk to more women about what attracted THEM to Computer Science, what they like and what they don&#039;t, where I can find opportunities to mentor girls into a profession that I truly enjoy.

My daughter (at age 4) thinks that mommies work on computers, and while she will certainly broaden her horizons soon, I hope that she ultimately grows up in a world where things are a bit more balanced, where we can all just say &quot;developer&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis,</p>
<p>I have shunned gender-specific groups for most of my career.  But, a year or so ago, I joined devChix.  Why?  Because I learned that the number of women entering computer science NOW is less than when I was in college from 1982-1986.  That shocked me.  I don&#8217;t understand why women have shunned this profession and I would like to understand that.  In order to do so, I need to talk to more women about what attracted THEM to Computer Science, what they like and what they don&#8217;t, where I can find opportunities to mentor girls into a profession that I truly enjoy.</p>
<p>My daughter (at age 4) thinks that mommies work on computers, and while she will certainly broaden her horizons soon, I hope that she ultimately grows up in a world where things are a bit more balanced, where we can all just say &#8220;developer&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Martinez</title>
		<link>http://www.dennmart.com/2008/03/19/women-in-development-how-about-just-people-in-development/comment-page-1/#comment-757</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>carmelyne - I know these groups don&#039;t mean to be &#039;separatists&#039; or anything. But to me, it just feels like these groups will label them as trying to be different. But maybe that&#039;s because I just wouldn&#039;t like to have some sort of already-existing gender gap to get wider. However, since I&#039;m not a woman I most likely have no clue :)

Catherine - That&#039;s a pretty good example right there of why these groups exist in the first place. It sucks that the fact that women in software sometime feel like being &#039;abnormal&#039; exists in the first place. I really am all for these groups existing for the reason you mention, and probably many other reasons as well. As long as they&#039;re done for reasons like these, it&#039;ll be great.

I really appreciate the comments for the ladies. It&#039;s awesome to hear from you and your point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>carmelyne &#8211; I know these groups don&#8217;t mean to be &#8217;separatists&#8217; or anything. But to me, it just feels like these groups will label them as trying to be different. But maybe that&#8217;s because I just wouldn&#8217;t like to have some sort of already-existing gender gap to get wider. However, since I&#8217;m not a woman I most likely have no clue <img src='http://www.dennmart.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Catherine &#8211; That&#8217;s a pretty good example right there of why these groups exist in the first place. It sucks that the fact that women in software sometime feel like being &#8216;abnormal&#8217; exists in the first place. I really am all for these groups existing for the reason you mention, and probably many other reasons as well. As long as they&#8217;re done for reasons like these, it&#8217;ll be great.</p>
<p>I really appreciate the comments for the ladies. It&#8217;s awesome to hear from you and your point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Devlin</title>
		<link>http://www.dennmart.com/2008/03/19/women-in-development-how-about-just-people-in-development/comment-page-1/#comment-756</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine Devlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all women do find value in groups like DevChix; some do; and of those who do, there are a lot of different reasons for valuing it.  Here&#039;s one reason.

I know a woman who&#039;s tall and broad-shouldered, and perfectly happy with her body.  Nonetheless, when a bunch of her cousins came visiting from Norway - all tall, broad-shouldered women - she felt *great* among them.

Sometimes it&#039;s nice to get a vacation from the feeling of being an anomaly.  &quot;Wow, a woman in software, you&#039;re so unusual, you&#039;re unique&quot; - they stop short of saying &quot;you&#039;re like a freak of nature&quot; but sometimes you wonder if they&#039;re thinking it - it isn&#039;t necessarily bad, but it&#039;s nice to get a break from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all women do find value in groups like DevChix; some do; and of those who do, there are a lot of different reasons for valuing it.  Here&#8217;s one reason.</p>
<p>I know a woman who&#8217;s tall and broad-shouldered, and perfectly happy with her body.  Nonetheless, when a bunch of her cousins came visiting from Norway &#8211; all tall, broad-shouldered women &#8211; she felt *great* among them.</p>
<p>Sometimes it&#8217;s nice to get a vacation from the feeling of being an anomaly.  &#8220;Wow, a woman in software, you&#8217;re so unusual, you&#8217;re unique&#8221; &#8211; they stop short of saying &#8220;you&#8217;re like a freak of nature&#8221; but sometimes you wonder if they&#8217;re thinking it &#8211; it isn&#8217;t necessarily bad, but it&#8217;s nice to get a break from it.</p>
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		<title>By: carmelyne</title>
		<link>http://www.dennmart.com/2008/03/19/women-in-development-how-about-just-people-in-development/comment-page-1/#comment-755</link>
		<dc:creator>carmelyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starting groups like devChix or PHPWomen is not a means of separation. Fundamentally, its a representation of a segment of people in development. 

Now when one would ask: Where are the women in development? There will be no need for guess work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starting groups like devChix or PHPWomen is not a means of separation. Fundamentally, its a representation of a segment of people in development. </p>
<p>Now when one would ask: Where are the women in development? There will be no need for guess work.</p>
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		<title>By: ton</title>
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		<dc:creator>ton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. I just hope more people listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I just hope more people listen.</p>
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